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    Argument/flamewar with ProjectFM (WIP)

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    Post  Jdpense Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:38 am

    Oh boy reply time...

    @ProjectFM

    ProjectFM wrote:By virtue of being edits of a popular game, Sonic hacks and mods come with an audience and because they're modifications of a finished game,
    you can do little effort and create a result which people will give a shot. This means that you can appeal to people by doing simple sprite edits of memes
    or popular characters and it will get attention, but the disposability and trendiness of it can mean it gets lost and forgotten quickly.

    While some trends tend to fade away over time, yet there's hacks like CrazySonic that intends to have memes and be trendy, which you should expect to lose it's
    novelty over time, but yet every SHC stream each year I see people wanting more from "CrazySonic" or claim that it's the best hack. To be frank, I
    know it's not for the hack itself but rather the memes that come from it.

    ProjectFM wrote:If you want to make something that will last, you need to either have an idea that works in just the right way or you need to keep working on it until
    it becomes something you would consider exciting and unique but may be flawed in a way that doesn't appeal to people and doesn't get you attention.
    What clout chasers will eventually learn is that creating something the community really cares about requires going against the urge to make something
    that will get attention, and it's hard to do that unless you have some passion for your work to keep you going.

    So this point just boils down to "work on something that you enjoy making", which I get that intends "to be the purpose" of Sonic Hacking or getting
    involved with any hobby for that matter, but I feel that mindset can fall flat if no one is interested in seeing the work and myself grow and develop,
    then the project just becomes a waste of time to make *Need to finish this point*

    ProjectFM wrote:If I'm to be honest, while technically impressive, your hacks don't tend to stand out in my mind because their focus is to implement things that found
    in existing Sonic games and hacks and don't go far enough in terms of polish to allow the gameplay to make sense in the contest of the game. If you care
    about how much attention your hacks will get, I think making them feel more unique and putting more time into making them cohesive would work more than
    doing more of what people already like. If you don't, then continue what you're doing and accept that people aren't going to care as much for it.

    You say this, yet there are also hacks that aren't so original or fully developed but still get a lot of praise despite their "uniqueness" and being
    fully fleshed out. A good example would be Metal Sonic Rebooted, which wasn't completely original since most of the stuff in that game was already seen from
    HyperDrive, also it didn't really have much epic gameplay changes to make itself too interesting. Another example would be Sonic 1: Colors Edition, since
    wasn't really that unique either since it's concepts were already based off of existing Sonic games, and the hack itself wasn't fully completed. Another
    example would also be S3K Battle Race, which it's gameplay concept was already based off of another hack S2 Battle Race, and S3K Battle Race didn't really
    have too many new gameplay gimmicks of its own aside from the mini games. These hacks don't have much originality yet still get a ton of praise and won big
    in the contests they were entered. So no, I think you're wrong there, and your definition of "standing out" doesn't really make much sense in context.

    ProjectFM wrote:I believe you should let the attention from the community influence insomuch as to push you to go beyond what you think you're capable of, rather
    than to give them exactly what they want in exchange for praise.

    What if my hack doesn't receive any feedback on the forums or anywhere else then what should I do? I can't really know how to fix or improve on something
    without someone else looking at it and seeing it for it's faults. So the only solution is to really scrap it since people don't really care for it to improve
    because it doesn't "stand out" (according you and the rest of the "knowbetter" fucks of this community.) <---Edit this line


    P.S. I really didn't want to bring up examples of other hacks in this post, only I needed examples to backup my points, so apologizes to the creators of
    the hacks that I mention in this post, who may or may not reading this post right now. I was not intending to single anyone in particular out.



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    Post  Jdpense Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:39 am

    FYI I was intending that reply for this thread:

    http://sonicresearch.org/community/index.php?threads/the-death-of-originality.6138/
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    Ehh... post deleted. shouldn't even let myself type sometimes
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    Post  UburL33tUzerNam Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:26 pm

    Jdpense wrote:
    Ehh... post deleted. shouldn't even let myself type sometimes
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